Downtown Eugene


Saturday, May 03, 2014

A history of waste

I'm very supportive of a year-round, indoor farmers market in Eugene. Like our outdoor farmers market today, vendors there will sell all kinds of locally-produced foods. Because of the association with Saturday Market, other local goods will probably be sold there as well. 

This is probably the best next thing that could happen to the local Eugene economy. 

The Saturday Market and the Farmers Market are incredibly important incubators of local consumer-producer relationships, a role played since Saturday Market launched in 1970. 

Paul Ollswang's 1970 Saturday Market PosterThis is Paul Ollswang's original poster for the first Saturday Market. Most people don't realize that Eugene's market inspired Portland's market, which inspired Manhattan's market, etc. It was the revival of a natural idea at the right time, in the right place.

The butterfly parking structure is a good location for a permanent market, facing the park blocks. It's actually the original location of the Farmers Market downtown, which opened in outdoor structures there in 1915. A step-up was the building of Eugene's first indoor market in 1929, a community-built, extremely pretty salmon-and-terracotta building on Broadway & Charnelton.

This building is covered-up by a stucco shell today, and the City tried very hard to tear it down, along with surrounding blocks of businesses. It housed the Tango Center at this point, an organization that fought back, ultimately defunding Urban Renewal through measure 20-134 in 2007. This defunding is the reason for downtown's revitalization today: there were no remaining incentives for commercial slumlords to hold onto property waiting for a payday, so properties were sold to smaller developers. The Farmers Market/Tango Center building became Lord Leebrick Theatre (now the Oregon Contemporary Theatre). 

Basically, with the coming of Urban Renewal after World War II, our local governments developed a habit of wasting downtown. They destroyed a beautiful County Courthouse where the current one sits, a beautiful City Hall on Willamette Street, a Carnegie public library on 11th, blocks and blocks of small local shops … even the park block landscaping was far more beautiful in the past. Urban Renewal provides incentive to destroy, for its own sake -- not preserving the good, not destroying the bad -- just destroying. It indiscriminately destroys small businesses, schools, non-profits, small producers, local ownership, local jobs, pretty parks, pretty buildings, trees, people, etc. Its record is horrendous.

So, the butterfly parking lot is, once again, a perfect location for a permanent farmers market -- actually, Saturday Market was held upon this structure for several years.

But a few questions come to mind:

Why can't Lane County build this farmers market? Have they no responsibility to Eugene's downtown?

Why does the City need to trade half of the City Hall lot, of all things, to get the County to do the right thing?

Now, I've never been a fan of the 60's era City Hall. But, frankly, it's much better than most civic buildings erected since. It's open, it's humble, it's full of greenery, it has amusing artwork and fountains ...

It's also so 1960's … it's practically an art & design history lesson. It could have been enhanced and lovingly preserved as a "cool 60's" tourist attraction. But instead, it was wastefully, purposefully allowed to fall apart … an act of government-sponsored vandalism, in my opinion. With trivial improvements, it could have been made more sound, more livable, and a center of activity again.

At a time when the City, County and University all complain about a lack of money, they all exhibit a total addiction to their wasteful Urban Renewal habits. 

This City Hall could easily be converted into a useful, colorful and charming relic. But there's no imagination, just destruction, in the Urban Renewal mindset. 

We saw the City's wasteful lack of sensitivity and imagination during the battle over downtown, when, in an early attack, they tore down the Sears Building, a powerful structure that, with a few new windows, could have become a palatial community center. Instead, the City left a hole in the ground on the site, for years. And when the County finally built something there, it was the least-human new government structure in Eugene since the horrible new federal building.

So, by all means, get rid of the butterfly parking lot, and build a beautiful Farmers Market … but why tie that to destroying city hall? 

And why are so many millions of dollars continually wasted on plans for a new city hall that is never built? Where does this bureaucratic culture of waste come from?

I must point out that it's everywhere, not just in Eugene. 

We live in the United States, whose government has been the greatest obstacle to world peace since the end of the Second World War. Corporate-government collusion is anti-people by nature, supporting wealth and power. It only does something good when forced to. So, left to its own devices, corporate-government waste will constantly interfere with the possibility of good life.

I'll pick another example from local headlines, although there are so many ...

Imagine a student from a poor village anywhere in the world, witnessing the PR spectacle of allowing US students to graffiti a perfectly functional, expensive building, in preparation for tearing it down, to build an uglier, bigger, more expensive building, which students will be paying off for years to come.

This is the insanity of the destruction of the 1970's skylight wing of the EMU at the UO campus. Now, I'll admit that I watched this building during construction, and I was part of a very critical movement against modern architecture, and didn't like the elevated outdoor balconies, the odd-shaped rooms, etc. 

But, I always enjoyed the central open spaces, the light, the fact that it was always possible to host an event in a corner without really disturbing anyone … the student centers, the craft center, the ride board, the rental boards, the forum room with its wooden panels and carpeted step-seats, the giant pillow sculpture hanging several stories from an impossibly high skylight …  

It's not how I would design a student union, but it's certainly much better than the design that will replace it, which is bloated, hideous and senseless. 

But the worst part of this story is the sheer waste of tearing down the EMU Skylight wing. 

This is an expensive building. It's only 40 years old. It could stand for centuries. It functions perfectly well, once you start to hang out there. Why not fix it, conserve it, improve it, and restore it … instead of tearing it down? Why spend over a hundred million dollars to perpetrate this waste?

I'll just pick one little victim, among all this carnage. There are a few lovely trees outside, that will be torn down soon, that provide great shade for study in the summer, and a kind of unusual connection to activity inside the building. It doesn't look pretty enough: there are too many concrete beams and bunker traps … but, like a few public buildings from the 60's and 70's, it's kind of idealistically-motivated, and it kind of works. And, as is common in the last 20 years of UO campus construction, it will be replaced by something far worse.

At the time this wing was built, as I've written about before, the University was experimenting with an extraordinary participatory planning process known as the Oregon Experiment. It was set in motion by architect Christopher Alexander in 1970, when the UO was reeling from student rejection of top-down planning. I don't think anyone could read The Oregon Experiment (Oxford, 1975) and come away with a desire to tear down big buildings and build bigger buildings. But that essentially describes the work of the UO planning office today.

Instead, here's the key message from Alexander's work: make small changes, fix the worst things, keep the good things, and use your heart to determine these things. Your heart will never tell you to tear down beautiful trees to build a concrete megastructure! You'll get a better structure if you follow your human side, and design around the trees.

There are larger issues raised by all this extraordinary waste.

About 10% - 20% of the people in Eugene are unemployed or underemployed. Another 50% desperately want to do something else. If there was any government body that carefully nurtured money, acted in the public interest, and gradually improved the environment and the economy, so that it was more local, self-sufficient, fun, humane, environmentally sustainable, free of cars and parking lots, etc., all these problems could be resolved in a few years' time.

Instead, the City's resources are continually wasted. These waste stories get reported, but people are fearful for their livelihoods, and so they don't make waves, and often disparage those who do. We unfortunately live in an economy of patronage and wage-slavery.

Take homelessness. It's a simple problem, that many cities have dealt with, through a simple solution: just provide housing to these people. It's not that hard!

It's the main thing people complain about in downtown's revitalization: "too many homeless people". 

Well, fix that. House them, and pull them in. Make them part of the solution. 

We have plenty of money to do this: just look at the waste!

Most people in Eugene know this, but for some reason we can't get candidates into office who understand this (well, two councilors do understand it, but they are an extreme minority).

If we want a unique Eugene, a sustainable Eugene, we must address this waste of people, money, property, nature and buildings, a waste at the heart of life here today. 

Yes, I know, it's a common problem all over the US … 

… but Eugene has a history of innovation … read these articles, if you need a smattering of ideas. 

And let's get to work eliminating waste.

35 Comments:

At 8:57 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

I'm curious to know where you got the information about the market in Eugene inspiring the one in Portland, which then inspired the market in New York.

 
At 3:33 PM, Blogger Greg Bryant said...

A Eugene -> Portland reference is easy:
http://www.portlandsaturdaymarket.com/about/history/

A Oregon->New York reference is harder to find, especially as there's no single "Saturday Market" in NYC any more. In the early 90's, some New York organizer told me that Eugene's market was well-known as the "most principled" (the artisans must be in the booth), and the quick success of the Oregon markets inspired all of the saturday markets in the 70's. A documented connection would require further research.

 
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2020.04.10台北市知名酒店工作酒店小姐潔西(花名)驚傳酒店上班確診新冠肺炎,為境內確診第379案例,有知情人士透露,「潔西」上周酒店打工3天班,行跡跨足3家不同酒店上班,有警員一聽直呼「好危險」,擔憂上周臨檢過該3家酒店。酒店業者透露,近期將朝「個體化」方向經營,盼度過歇業寒冬。
知情者說,「潔西」上周酒店PT2、5、6上三天班,上班地點跨足3家酒店,上周5上班時發燒,隔天被酒店主管勸返家休息,但病況未好轉,至醫院檢驗後,前天確診。
知情者透露,「潔西」八大行業非常搶手,因她身材瘦高,有著大眼、長腿、瓜子臉、長捲髮,輪廓也很深,非常像混血兒。
有酒店業者說,目前規畫由經紀安排小姐至錢櫃、好樂迪等場所接單,要求客人用喊價方式一次買足時間,「以前透過酒店當平台,現在不受店面約束,全部個體化,市場有需求,就可以供,盼能熬過寒冬」。
有員警聽聞「潔西」上班地點跨足3家酒店,嚇得直說「好危險」,因酒店密閉空調,1次臨檢至少1小時,非常擔心被傳染。

 
At 2:21 PM, Blogger 梁爵 said...

2020.04.15酒店工作、舞廳停業,大量的酒店上班小姐瞬間失業,沒了八大行業該何去何從?我們也觀察到有「傳播經紀公司」趁機在網路上大舉酒店打工徵才,號召失業的陪酒小姐加入,誠徵「酒店PT」轉戰KTV、釣蝦場、熱炒店、居酒屋甚至是電影院,陪客人釣蝦唱歌看電影,提供桌邊服務也就是俗稱的「酒店上班跑單幫」,工作時間雖然自由但收入不穩定,更由於這些服務公主都是陪著客人進出公共場所,服務客群來來去去,會不會成為另一種防疫破口?值得觀察。八大行業網路PO影片,北中南號召年輕妹妹加入成為旗下小姐,舞廳、酒店配合防疫暫時停業,經紀公司卻在此時大喇喇臉書挖角找人。PO文配合政府政策,全國酒店舞廳暫時歇業,釣蝦場、自助KTV缺服務公主,號召暫時缺工作的小姐們,歡迎您的加入,最後一行「歡迎同行妹妹一起加入,渡過這次難關」。經紀公司口中說的「服務公主」到底做些什麼?說穿了就是得陪釣蝦場客人聊天、釣蝦,以及在附設包廂內唱歌、倒酒,價碼以時薪計算,只是每次出場得隨客人喜好,不見得接得了單。八大行業人士:「要看幾個小姐他們叫過來,然後看我們要不要讓他們挑選,不要,再換一批。」傳播公司拉攏酒店小姐轉換跑道,工作項目也很雜,像是釣蝦場陪釣、KTV陪唱、熱炒店、居酒屋幫倒酒、電影院陪看電影、提供桌邊服務又稱為「跑單幫」。八大行業人士:「有門路或是朋友有在跑這個,這叫跑單幫,有的話就會去跑。」酒店、舞廳小姐、女陪侍跟經紀公司旗下的傳播小姐兩者大不同,酒店小姐需要排班,工作穩定,客源的社經地位較高;反觀傳播小姐比較像是小蜜蜂,要到處尋找酒客,經紀公司要負責接送上下班確保安全。酒店被迫暫時關門,北中南大量酒小姐、舞小姐沒了工作,會不會轉換跑道成為另一種防疫缺口?值得關注。

 
At 2:08 PM, Blogger 梁爵 said...

2020.05.30酒店小姐的基本介紹跟工作內容酒店兼職:梁曉尊/梁小尊 打工上班前如何調整心態!!!
很多人想到八大行業我在酒店上班的日子,許多大學生尋求酒店打工以及上班族想兼差卻沒有良好的酒店兼職管道。酒店經紀梁曉尊的部落格提供大家可選擇不敢來酒店上班-酒店打工的原因的管道!女孩們在與酒店經紀梁曉尊用LINE對話或者利用留言版留言時,我們的回答總是簡單且衷懇的。我們成立這個酒店上班-酒店兼職-兼差如何達成人生的第一桶金,是想揭開這行制服店、禮服店、便服店神秘的面紗讓更多人瞭解八大行業的資訊,當然也希望招募到優秀的人員。所以我們的回答絕對是符合妳的期待。
[女孩們要入行酒店上班,請注意以下的重點酒店兼差不是一個複雜的工作環境?]
1.你是否真的下定決心了?!!在這裡上班職場須知 【酒店PT 】,有時必須承受些許心理壓力。心理壓力在於..外貌.手腕.應對.決心。絕大部分的女孩只會想到自己本身的立場卻沒有想到消費者的想法。不是每位女孩上班都一定能賺到錢,你決定賺多少,你又能學習多少。取決於妳的"態度"一旦下定決心,請收起無謂的想法,好好學習應該有的工作態度。
2.當你下定決心後,請注意...先約在公共場所(如麥當勞) 對談細節(要求對方提出負面因素 如會扣錢的事項有哪些)最少看三家店的環境(這樣才能知對方能力和自己多方考慮)切記千萬別第一天看環境就馬上工作(要回家多方思考再決定)有部分招募公關的廣告,寫上許多超高的金額利誘。事實上這些金額 真的是看個人努力而有所不同啊。不能說她們是講假的,但是沒有人一開始就能做到(那要很犧牲)。
3.注意自己的權益。薪資計算。(檯費的計算,領薪水的日期....諸如此類)公司經營的模式方法。(例如便服店或是禮服店)以上三點你都注意了嗎!你真的確定要入行了嗎!
這些你都注意到了,你也沒有隨便相信單方面說的話,切記多聽多比較,那麼你可以開始選擇你想去哪家店上班了。

 
At 3:54 PM, Blogger 梁爵 said...

2020.08.12不敢來酒店上班-酒店打工的原因
一般人的觀念裡酒店是一個複雜、不好的環境,其實在酒店上班沒什麼不好,工作性質跟一般在聊天的美眉是同性質的。
例如
一、酒店小姐的基本介紹跟工作內容:像跟一群人去錢櫃好樂迪參加聯誼會那種形式,認識交際不同的人,一樣是跟客人單純的閒聊、喝 酒炒熱氣份,但只是變成工作,還有錢可以賺,不好的是因為吸毒而去做酒店,甚至賺錢去養男人這是最笨、最愚蠢的作法。我在酒店上班的日子酒店經紀〝俗稱經紀人〞我們常遇到的女孩子大部分都是單親媽媽要養小孩、要還父母的負債、要實現自己的目標、還有解決自己卡債問題等,酒店兼差不是一個複雜的工作環境?這些並沒有什麼不好,人總是因為環境的因素不得已,你只要知道自己最終的目標是什麼就行。另外補充一點,小部分酒店是有做黑的沒錯,但不想做黑的也是大有人在,酒店小姐上班通常會取什麼名字?賣笑不賣身應該有聽過還是可以把大把銀子賺進口袋。酒店小姐去酒店上班都一定要出場接s嗎?常有女孩們因為報紙裡的高薪而吸引,卻不知道這家酒店的型態而付出更高的犧牲本身在這一行業也有一段時間,真的有像電影裡的故事情節發生,其實女孩們真的因為經濟上的需要而這樣的工作,除了心理要有充足的準備之外,還要先了解這家店的性質,才不會後悔莫及,許多的女孩子對酒店都有很多的不了解就誤入了這個行業,更扯的是有些女孩子被報紙上的小廣告所騙,九成九不是被騙財就是被騙色。
酒店上班不是不好的工作,只是要先了解其中的奧秘與生態,和每一間酒店的型態,就大可放心的去摸索試圖去做做看,就算真的不適合,秉持自己正確的心態,也絕對不會讓自己吃虧。

 
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At 8:28 AM, Blogger 梁爵 said...

2020.11.22女大學生酒店打工的故事: 酒店工作-台北酒店專業經紀人總編輯:俄羅斯小說家托爾斯泰的文學作品《安娜.卡列尼娜》在開場即說到,「幸福的家庭無不相似,不幸的家庭各有不幸」,而進入八大行業酒店上班【酒店小姐】【酒店公關】,涉身其中的理由或有各自的不幸,而小惠則是「三緣皆無」。所謂的「三緣」,照小惠的說法是家緣、地緣與人緣。小惠大學念的是平面設計,出社會後進入設計公司上班,後來因故被開除,隻身一人與一隻寵物貓在台北,無任何地緣連結也無任何朋友人緣。唯一的經濟收入被切斷,卻得面臨房租、生活費與貓咪的開銷。「臉皮薄」以及與家庭關係疏離,讓小惠更是難以開口向家裡求援。無緣社會中三緣盡失的小惠,麻煩還不只如此。已屆研究所畢業年限的小惠,論文進度卻不前不進,她說她需要一個可以讓她一邊上班一邊寫論文的工作,但求職網看來看去就是那些,直到前男友丟來一個她從未看過的求職網站,上面卻出現一個讓她從來也沒想過的工作職缺:對不喝酒的小惠來說,這工作首先便通過了門檻,高時薪、工時也看似能讓她有餘裕完成論文,於是她加了一個據她說像是「假網美」頭貼的帳號後,對方向她要了全身照後隨後便約她「酒店兼差面試」。面試一切比想像中奇異,進展也比想像中來得順利。「小惠」這個名字其實是個「藝名」,經紀人給小惠的人設是「鄰家女孩」般的氣質,二十出頭的大學生、需要賺取學費所以來做酒店。

 
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At 5:04 PM, Blogger 梁爵 said...

相信沒有在酒店上過班的妳,一定都會覺得酒店打工紅牌酒店小姐,一定長的模特兒身材、超級明星臉或是嬌滴滴美少女吧!其實每家店裡的酒店工作紅牌小姐絕非單靠顏值!時代進步,現在的化妝技巧及髮型設計多樣每個酒店小姐只要認真打扮起來一定都是個美人,想要酒店應徵晉升紅牌小姐,賺取更高的收入真的要花些心思找出自己外型的特色,增加幹部及客人的記憶點、搭配好記的藝名,才能夠脫穎而出以藝人為例:黃明志+墨鏡、伍佰+長髮、謝晶燕+大長腿
外表打理好之後,還要內在和手腕,才能內外合一應付各種不同類型的客人,輕鬆賺取智慧財我認為一位成功的酒店上班紅牌小姐個人魅力、人際關係(手腕)、察言觀色、談話技巧、營造氣氛缺一不可,如果能用心學習,相信不用多久的時間就能夠賺到很多錢,加速妳離開這個行業的時間哦!
酒店上班技巧1. 內在的氣質:大老闆們去酒店消費,除了看長相之外再來就是看氣質了,內在的涵養會讓人感受到妳的氣質酒店小姐們常會因為一個習慣性的語助詞,時常動不動就出口成髒,林北、林良、靠、咁、糙,都是不文雅的用語如果說出來的話都是不得體的,那客人一定會將妳定位成沒氣質的酒店小姐,反之,假如妳把:請、謝謝、對不起掛在嘴邊不論如何都是很有禮貌的跟客人得體的說話,
就能讓客人將妳定位成是個有禮貌有氣質的酒店小姐了,
往後客人如果要找朋友來消費,點這位酒店小姐的檯也會覺得很有面子。
酒店公關技巧2. 外在的包裝:
酒店經紀俗話說:佛要金裝、人要衣裝,三分人才、七分打扮
酒店小姐在剛進公司上班的那段時間裡,通常都會是打扮的最美、最漂亮的時候了但上班一段日子過後,便會開始慢慢的鬆懈,對自已的髮妝、造型、服裝都變的比較不在乎,有些小姐甚至把熟客當成男朋友,覺得換禮服化妝麻煩,我常會告誡坐檯小姐女兒們,千萬別忘了,都已經到酒店上班了,請把公主病關在家裡,如果真的是想賺多一點的話,
就一定要把自已裝扮的比別人還要好看,這樣才能為自已爭取更多的賺錢機會!時尚名人香奈兒女士常說:「如果沒有打扮好絕對不要出門,因為貴人可能在下一個轉角等著妳。」
酒店上班技巧3. 懂得察言觀色:
客人點你的檯,自然是你的財神爺,因應不同客人
提供不同氛圍的服務內容是酒店小姐的必備常識
商務客人到酒店談公事的,只要不多話陪坐倒酒即可,
慶生的客人,就要點個快歌、或唱首“快樂鳥日子”最好能帶動客人又唱又跳才受歡迎萬掰的戀愛客,牽著他的手唱個“你最珍貴”再來個深情對望,相信客人一整個禮拜心底都是妳。千萬不要當一個採公駡(像木頭娃娃不會做事)那種自顧自的在一旁唱歌,然後客人酒喝完了不倒、
桌面不清、客人拿了煙要抽也沒替客人點煙的話,相信這種只想領錢不做事、白目指數到達100%的酒店小姐,應該很快就被幹部卡檯了,所以,千萬別忘了自已在包廂裡賺客人錢的時候,該扮演好什麼樣的角色!
酒店小姐技巧4. 投其所好製造共同話題:
客人點妳的檯就是有基本的好感度,接下來只要將好感度加深,就有很大機會抓住客人的心在聊天過程之中可以投其所好的讓客人感覺妳和他擁有同樣的嗜好和興趣,
不知道跟客人聊什麼嗎?掌握四原則:關心>發問>點頭>微笑試試看,妳將會跟客人有聊不完的話題唷!舉例:關心客人的聊天話題或是穿著打扮來找話題發問當客人講話的時候,就點頭微笑附和他
技巧5. 給客人完美的最後印象:
演戲就演全套!有些酒店小姐在包廂的服務都很不錯,
但往往在客人要離場的時候,卻忽略了要把感覺做整套的,雖然有些幹部不會要求酒店小姐送客,但妳一定要記得,送客是讓客人對妳加深印象的好機會,在客人臨走的一刻給客人一個深情的擁抱,讓這位客人回去都會一直不斷的回想這些和妳一起度過的美好畫面,
想著想著就會安排時間再找妳了!

 
At 5:52 PM, Blogger 梁爵 said...

本土疫情延燒,台北市政府昨日公布9家酒店爆17人確診,副市長黃珊珊今(8日)說,又新增2例與酒店打工相關確診。市長柯文哲宣布,將對八大行業加嚴管制,除了工作人員應接種至少兩劑疫苗外,消費顧客也要提供至少接種三劑疫苗證明,酒店小姐若臨檢發現違規,將開罰業者3,000元至1萬5,000元,並計點後最重將下令停業。台北市政府下午召開疫情記者會,市長柯文哲、副市長黃珊珊、衛生局長黃世傑等人出席。柯文哲表示,因應酒店工作疫情要開始調整戰術,酒店上班八大行業不可諱言的是有好幾個縣市都發生感染狀況,這真的相當麻煩,為了防止一下子群聚太多,將開始加嚴管制。柯文哲說,首先,消費的顧客需打滿三劑疫苗,工作人員應至少打滿兩劑,若打滿第二劑超過3個月要打第三劑,必須確保顧客、酒店經紀的疫苗接種符合標準。到八大行業臨檢時,會要求業者提供證明,否則開罰業者,每次罰3,000至1萬5,000元,超過四次按次處罰,每次罰1萬5,000元,也許殺傷力不大,但可能會採用計點方式,並下令要求停業。全台各縣市陸續出現酒店公關群聚,台北市長柯文哲今在台北市疫情記者會宣布,將加強八大行業管制,若臨檢時顧客、工作人員沒有施打疫苗的證明,就會罰業者,從最低3000元開始罰,累計次數,第4次將會罰最高金額1萬5千元,若超過一定的次數,「就把你停業處理!」柯文哲表示,從好幾個縣市的感染狀況,八大行業的確相當麻煩,為防止八大行業造成太多群聚,將加嚴管制,顧客要打滿三劑,工作人員則至少要打滿兩劑,若打滿第二劑已超過三個月,酒店上班就要打第三劑,無論酒店應徵是工作人員或是消費的顧客,在疫苗上面必須符合標準。柯文哲強調,從現在開始,相關局處到八大行業臨檢時,將要求提供疫苗施打證明,若坐檯小姐、工作人員拿不出來,就會罰業者,從最低3000元開始罰,一直向上加,第4次就會是最高的1萬5千元,但罰1萬5千元可能殺傷力不大,我們會開始記點,超過一定的次數後就開始停業。柯文哲認為,八大行業酒店上班變成傳染群聚的地方,需開始嚴格管制,不管是工作人員還是顧客,帶好打疫苗的證明,違反規定將罰業者,殺傷力最大的是應該停業,原則上是一次、兩次都可以理解,總有時候會漏掉,但如果好幾次就是這家店管理出現問題,「就把你停業處理!」

 

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